Newsletter

The Oak Post

Newsletter of the Illinois Chapter of the Society of American Foresters
Volume 3, Number 1 September 2002

From the Chair by Dan Price, Southeastern Illinois College

Welcome to a new generation of the “Oak Post”! Jerry Dalsin has graciously agreed to lead this vital component of the IL-SAF program. He offers exceptional energy, enthusiasm, and creative ideas to build on the outstanding tradition established by past editors (recently, Stephanie Brown and Matt Siemert). Please help support Jerry and your state society by honoring his request for submissions (see following article).

As you can see from the preview (see article p. 2) of our upcoming Fall 2002 meeting, Chair-Elect Jay Hayek has a great program planned. Please make early plans to attend and encourage your member and potential-member contacts to come too. Contact Officers or Committee Chairs with items you would like to have on the business meeting agenda (see listing, p. 8-9).

Declining membership continues to be a concern for SAF nationally and for IL-SAF. A June 30, 2002 report showed 44 (22.2%) IL-SAF members purged for non-payment of dues. While this situation has probably improved by now, more effort is needed to reverse the downward trend. A National Membership Campaign goal suggests that state societies strive to increase December 31, 2002 membership by at least one member over Dec. 31, 2001. Reinstatement of purged members would be a major step in meeting the goal. We need the help of all IL-SAF members to recruit new and returning members. Membership Chair Jim Kirkland is available to help coordinate our efforts. Please contact him with ideas, suggestions, questions, or requests for membership materials.

SIC Forestry Update

The Forest Technology and Urban Forestry programs at Southeastern Illinois College are scheduled to close in May 2003. The faculty positions of Jim Kirkland and Dan Price were eliminated in May 2002. A third faculty member, Ken Agens, was retained to complete instruction for returning sophomores. Th SIC-SAF student chapter will be active through May 2003 and then, presumably, be disbanded.

Students and faculty at SIC wish to express our gratitude for support of the forestry program by IL-SAF and all of the Illinois forestry community. Loss of the SIC forestry program is a sad event but many happy memories remain from the 34 years of its operation. THANKS EVERYONE !!!

We Need Your Ideas, Articles and Photos!
by Jerry Dalsin, Illinois Department of Public Health, Environmental Engineering

As most of you already realize, this is the first IL-SAF newsletter for quite some time. To assist us in making the newsletter both informative and practical, we need your articles and photos. If you cannot write any articles for us, your ideas and photos for future newsletters would be most appreciated. From my personal point of view, I envision newsletters with articles that relate to forestry in Illinois and the surrounding states with an emphasis on hardwoods. It would be nice to have articles on practical tips from foresters doing what they do in the woods.

Photos of foresters using electronic equipment in the field would be welcome, e.g. gps receivers, field computers, data collectors and diameter tape (please keep pictures of foresters in the office or attending meetings to a minimum). If you have any prints for us to use, please scan and submit them to me as a jpeg file e-mail attachment. Please submit written articles in either “Word Perfect” or “Word” format. I am sure that many of you have your own visions of what the newsletter should look like. Let us hear from you.

Jerry Dalsin
Illinois Department of Public Health
Division of Environmental Health
525 W. Jefferson Street

Springfield, IL 62761
Phone: 217-782-5830
Fax 217-782-5830
e-mail: jdalsin@idph.state.il.us

Mark your Calendars - October 17-18, 2002: IL-SAF Next Meeting to b e Held at Funks Grove

Be sure to plan to attend the next IL-SAF fall chapter meeting to be held at Funks Grove in McLean County near McLean on October 17-18, 2002. The event will kick off with lunch served at the Sugar Grove Nature center around noon on the 17th. Tentatively, Dr. Appleby will speak on the emerald ash borer. There will also be tours of the direct seeding conducted in September of 2001, prairie restoration efforts, sugar bush operations, Funks Homestead and Museum. The tour may also include blue ash and black walnut national champion trees and a portable circular saw mill demonstration. There may even be a paint ball war contest.

Under separate cover, a registration form along with an agenda will be sent to IL-SAF members. Be sure and bring along any prospective new members. We look forward to seeing all of you there. Have a safe trip.

Urban Forestry Updates
by Reinee Hildebrandt??Illinois Department of Natural Resources

171 Illinois Communities Receive Tree City USA Honors

SPRINGFIELD, IL (March 21, 2002) – Tree City USA designation is being given to 171 Illinois communities this year for their promotion of urban forestry, Department of Natural Resources Director Brent Manning announced today.
Trees provide economic, health and aesthetic benefits to their urban communities,” Manning said. “I commend the cities around Illinois who are dedicated to their urban forests and challenge those who are not currently participating in the program to protect and enhance their city’s trees.”

To be eligible to participate, a community must designate someone to be responsible for its urban forest program, have a community tree ordinance, spend $2 per resident for its tree program, enact an Arbor Day proclamation and hold a public tree planting ceremony.
Thirteen communities are participating for the first time this year, including Carlinville, Cedarville, Clinton, Dekalb, Forrest, Lakewood, Lincoln, Mackinaw, Momence, Morton Grove, Riverdale, South Holland and Wilmington.

This year, 38 Tree City USA communities also will receive a “Growth” award to recognize additional urban forestry efforts, with Naperville and Urbana each receiving sterling certificates recognizing their participation as growth communities for a decade. To Qualify for a growth award, a community must have been designated a Tree City USA participant previously, conduct a variety of urban forestry activities, and spent at least the same amount of money on its program this year as last year.

Five utilities will receive a Tree Line USA award including Batavia Electric Utility; Commonwealth Edison; Illinois Power; city of Rantoul Public Works, City Light Power; and Springfield CWLP. The program encourages utility companies to implement tree care education programs and to sponsor local public education and tree-planting events.

Tree City USA is annually sponsored by the National Arbor Day Foundation, in cooperation with the Department of Natural Resources, the National Association of State Foresters and the U.S.D.A. Forest Service. The IDNR provides communities with technical and financial assistance for urban forestry efforts, District foresters provide training seminars, recommend types of trees to plant, and assess urban forestry needs and opportunities.

This year’s awards are presented March 21 at the Morton Arboretum in Lisle and March 26 at the Northfield Center in Springfield. The Morton Arboretum and Southwestern Resource and Conservation Development, Inc., help sponsor the Lisle and Springfield events, respectively.

For more information about the program, contact IDNR’s Forest Resources Division at 217/782-2361.

Arbor Day Poster Contest Winners Announced

SPRINGFIELD, IL – Sooah Yoo, a fifth grade student at Woodland Intermediate School in Grayslake, is this year’s Illinois Arbor Day Poster Contest winner and advances to the national competition.

This young lady’s entry was very creative, incorporating many wildlife species in the tree’s branches and a variety of products that can be made from wood drawn inside the tree’s trunk,” said Illinois Department of Natural Resources Director Brent Manning. To view Yoo’s winning poster, please visit Illinois Department of Natural Resources web page at http://dnr.state.il.us/lands/education/classrm/poster.htm. Yoo is a student of Rachel Josephson.

Nearly 1.700 students from 45 schools submitted entries fro this year’s theme, “Trees are Terrific...Inside and Out!” Each school submitted its winner to the state competition, which is sponsored by the Department of Natural Resources and the National Arbor Day Foresters and the Illinois Arborist Association. The national winner will be announced on April 26 by the National Arbor Day Foundation at the Washington D.C. opening the Arbor Day National Poster Contest Art Exhibit at the U.S. Botanical Gardens.

The national winner, two parents and the art teacher will receive an expense-paid trip to Washington D.C. to participate in the announcement and then travel to Nebraska City for the 2002 Arbor Day weekend festivities. First-place prizes at the national level include a $1,000 U.S. Savings Bond, lifetime membership to the National Arbor Day Foundation and a framed color copy of the winning poster. The winner’s teacher will receive $200 for educational materials. In addition to the chance to compete at the national level, Yoo’s Illinois victory earned her a j$100 U.S. Savings Bond, National Arbor Day book bag and Taylor’s Guide - Trees and Secret’s of Monet’s Garden books.

Prizes were awarded to other Illinois contest finalists for 2nd to10th places. Three students won honorable mention.

The Arbor Day Poster Contest is open to all public, private and home-school fifth graders. Individual schools are responsible for local poster contest judging, with winners of the school sent to the IDNR for state judging. The 2003 theme is “Trees are Terrific...from acorn to oak!” Informational packets will be mailed in the fall to all Illinois Schools having fifth grade classes. Entries for the 2002 contest must be postmarked by February 20, 2003.

IL-SAF contributed a $100 U. S. Savings Bond for the contest.

SAF Continuing Forestry Education (CFE) Program
by Tom Vorac, CF, CFE Coordinator

• Rapid technological changes
• Increased public awareness
• Higher environmental standards
• Greater professional demands
• Ever-changing competencies required

When did you graduate from college? Think about this - the half-life of a college education is seven to ten. In less than10 years after graduation your professional competency can be reduced by one-half.

So what do we do? Through the SAF Continuing Forestry Education (CFE) you can keep current. Have you taken any company training lately? Have you attended any university or extension programs? These workshops and others can earn you CFE credits.

So how does the program work? Ask the sponsor of any raining or workshop you plan to attend to send me an agenda in advance so the amount of CFE credit scan be publicized with the meeting announcement. (We are missing many opportunities for CFE credit because I am not aware of them.) Attend the workshop(s) and submit your CFE certificate applications to me and I will forward them to the national office, The national office will prepare and mail the certificate and letter of acknowledgment to your employer.

It’s that easy. Contact me at the address below to submit agendas, request your personal activity record and certificate application.

Tom Vorac
333 N. Chicago St.
Geneseo, IL 61254
Phone: 309-944-2758
E-mail: tvorac@netexpress.net

Media Relations Project
by Tom Vorac, U.S. Army and
Dan Schmoker, Illinois Department of Natural Resources

How many times have you heard someone or yourself say “Good things are happening in forestry so why not share the story of forestry with others.” Some of you are already sharing positive stories and have been for a while. Others, have a strong interest and are waiting for the opportunity -well, wait no longer, your chance is here!!

SAF has launched a grassroots media effort and the IL-SAF is invited to participate in the Media Relations Project or MRP. The IL-SAF has a strong commitment to volunteering and that you have demonstrated your support for the profession and the future of forestry! In other words, you care about what happens to our forests and want to make a difference. The MRP aims to make a difference in forestry issues. Dan Schmoker and I have volunteered to be the IL-SAF points of contact so far. SAF national office has provided us the information to share the forestry story through the print media.

Here’s how the MRP process would work:

Step 1 - Receive talking points about various forestry issues.
Step 2 - Receive relevant forestry-related print articles from area newspapers.
Step 3 - Write letters to the editors or opinion-editorials (op-eds) and send them to the print media in your area.
Step 4 - Send a copy of your correspondences with the print media to the national office.

It’s that simple!! All of us together can make a difference and change the headlines across Illinois to reflect the positive things foresters are doing for the natural resources of Illinois. Dan and I encourage you to be a part of this exciting grassroots effort to help SAF have a powerful voice in forestry issues affecting the profession today and tomorrow.

As always, if you have questions or are interested in participating in the MRP program, please contact Tom Vorac, 309-944-2758 or email tvorac@netexpress.net or Dan Schmoker.

Outstanding Illinois Tree Farmer 2002
Submitted by Dan Schmoker (written by Eric J. Clark of the Northwest Herald)

MARENGO - Dale Shriver owns 90 acres of forest and a family of leaf-eating gypsy moths.

When the Marengo tree farmer learned that the moths had invaded a grove of trees in Crystal Lake, he visited the site and snagged an unhatched egg. “I took the egg right off the tree and put it in a peanut putter jar,” he said. Shriver is studying the life cycle of the insects to better understand how to beat them if they attack his trees.

His passionate approach to tree farming is why he was named Outstanding Illinois Tree Farmer for 2002 by the Illinois Tree Farm Committee and the Illinois Department of Natural Resources. “Dale is one of the most outstanding people we’ve worked with throughout the years,” IDNR District Forester Paul Deizman said. “When a land owner cares about every little piece of his woods, that’s what sets him apart.”

Shriver , who turns 56 on Friday, did not expect the recognition. “I’m surprised and humbled,” he said. “It looks like all that work started to pay off.” Shriver’s land has little in common with nurseries that have trees in neat rows on flat fields. His land is a forest where multiple varieties of trees grow surrounded by thick brush and native plants.

Tree farming requires immense patience, as trees are harvested for lumber every 13 to 15 years. Shriver takes a sustainable approach to the job, knowing that after trees are cut down, more sunlight will fall on the next crop.

Shriver lives with his wife on a 32-acre tree farm on Doorpost Road near Collins Road. He grew up in western Pennsylvania and is a recently retired airline mechanic. He also owns a 58-acre tree farm near the intersection of Doorpost and River roads. He usually wears white so he can spot ticks on his clothes, but donned a wide brimmed wicker hat, blue pocket T-shirt, olive pants and brown shoes for a recent tour of his property. Although he cut a trail grid through both of his properties, Shriver said he enjoys straying from the main path. As he hopped from tree to tree, he clipped prairie flowers and popped wild blackberries into his mouth like popcorn. The trunks of many of Shriver’s trees are protected from deer by circular fences or plastic coverings.

Shriver said he could not have won an award without assistance from officials with the state tree farm committee, the Illinois Department of Natural Resources, the McHenry County Conservation District and the McHenry County Soil and Water Conservation District. He said a quote from a 19th - century Indian Chief has motivated him throughout the 29 years he has owned the tree farm. “We did not inherit the earth from our parents; we are borrowing it from our children,” he said. “You can’t put it any better than that.”

COMMENTARIES

We are looking for your ideas toward future commentaries on a number of issues, e.g. logging on private lands, the role of direct seeding in reforestation and the failures/successes of various reforestation methods. Please let us hear from you.

How About a CRP for Forestry
Submitted by Tom Vorac

Here is an idea I ran across that I believe has merit. It is a summary of the idea I got from Rick Kammler who is a resource forester with the Missouri Department of Conservation. I am becoming more and more concerned about the direction the management of our nation’s forests appears to be heading. This is particularly true when it comes to non-industrial privately-owned forests. Not only do I find a great deal of apathy among the general public when it comes to forestry matters, but also-surprisingly - on the part of many forest land owners. Sad to say, most people simple don’t care, or at least show no real interest, in the future of our forest resource.

Are America’s forests important? Figures show the value of timber products (roundwood) produced from our forests at nearly $24 billion. This exceeds the value of our nation’s soybean harvest (nearly $17 billion) and even corn production (nearly $20 billion). These forests provide valuable products used by everyone and they help protect/purify our water, serve as filtration systems for our air and provide wildlife habitat.

So then why do forest landowners show so little interest? Is it because forestry is a long term commitment? Most people don’t have the patience to wait decades to see a management system come to realization. Money is a very important consideration for many forest landowners. All too often, landowners prefer cashing in immediately with a heavy cut, rather than waiting for a much greater payoff at some point in the future.

As harsh as this sounds, few professional foresters would deny that money is often more important to landowners than the well-being of the resource. To make matters worse, even fewer forest landowners are willing to invest in the future productivity of their resource. Again, this requires taking a long-term view, and they may not be around to see the final results.

Have you observed that there is very little true understanding of forestry (silviculture in particular) among both landowners and the general public. They don’t understand the concept and fail to seek more information. Is education the answer? It is extremely difficult to teach something to individuals who are simply not interested in learning. So you ask, “how do we improve the situation.” Spend money, of course.

Rick Kammler recently proposed that we set up a Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) - style program for non-industrial private landowners. CRP currently pays agricultural producers to retire land from crop production for ten years or more. The payment is rent for land while idle. This federal program pays farmers nearly $2 billion annually.

Rick’s proposal calls for $10.00 per acre per year to forest landowners who are managing their property under stewardship guidelines. If the national commitment to the management of our forests was made to the same extent as the commitment to our agricultural resources, nearly 200 million acres could come under stewardship management.

I know that you will ask, “why would American taxpayers want to foot this kind of bill?” It goes back to the importance of our forests and the reality that forests are expensive to own and manage properly. Doing so is in everyone’s best interest - over the long and short terms. The burden should not rest only on the shoulders of those who own the resource. A predictable annual income may be just what is needed for reducing or eliminating the motivations being premature or excessive timber sales. Also, do you think landowners would be more interested in investing in management practices, such as TSI or tree planting with a guaranteed annual income?

We must consider some difference from the CRP program. Landowners must not be penalized for the sale of forest products while enrolled in the program (as long as they are following stewardship guidelines) and the program must be long-term. The commitment must go with the land and not the landowner.

Can such a program like this be a reality? What are your thoughts?

Counterpoint to CRP Proposal

Patt Nelson, President of the Oklahoma Woodland Owners Association, provides a different perspective on CRP for Forestry.

Timber products value exceed corn and soybeans. The reason is government control. The reason farmers do not produce more is government control. The controls came when the subsides began.

Patt says: “Our nation’s farmers are little more than risk-bearing serfs on their own lands as it is. The collective state of mind that we find abhorrent in communist countries hade invaded our farming system.” Patt believes the CRP proposal for forestry will work the same. If the American taxpayer pays the bill, they have the right to tell us how to manage.

Patt goes on to say that he resents the word “Stewardship.” Stewardship implies that we don’t own the land but instead we are stewards, or hired hands. Pride in ownership and potential profit from good management are all the incentives a woodland owner needs.

So, what do you think?

The Folly of Reorganization
by Robert F. Carling (submitted by Dan Schmoker)

I believe there is a particularly nasty disease that afflicts elected officials and their appointees. The primary symptom of this physiological disorder is the urgency to substantially reorganize their agencies. The disease manifests itself soon after the victims take office, although some officials show signs well before the election. Afflicted officials announce their intent to restructure their agencies with a long list of reasons sure to elicit public support: increased efficiency, improved service, reduced spending, reduced waste, fewer government employees, etc. Curiously, the desire to better manage and conserve the resource is sometimes left off this compelling list.

Two prominent strategies exist for implementing reorganizations: decentralize the agency to empower field offices or centralize operations to eliminate wasteful field offices. The choice of strategies is an easy one; simply look at what the previous administration did and do the opposite. I suspect that if we reconstructed the history of an agency subjected to frequent reorganizations, we would find a consistently alternating pattern of decentralization and centralization. Perhaps another symptom of this disease is loss of long-term memory.

Occasionally, the centralization-decentralization pattern is interrupted by a bureaucratic shuffle, a sing that the disease is still in its early states. Here, the strategy is to take all agency functions, scramble them up, and spoon out dollops of responsibilities to newly created bureaus. Such schemes require personnel shifts but typically suffer from the creation of more management positions and fewer field positions and also always more meetings. While the public and higher levels of government hear the presumed benefits of restructuring, they seldom, if ever, learn the costs, which are varied and enormous. Real costs are associated with shutting down facilities, opening up new ones, and finding or building office space, not to mention the costs associated with moving employees, terminating those who will not or cannot move, and hiring personnel for new or expanded facilities. One cost for which there is no monetary price tag is the inevitable rash of early retirements that results in significant losses of valuable experience and much-needed institutional memory.

In addition, just imagine the employee work time devoted to an unending stream of reorganizational activities. These ventures often require many months of planning implementing, and readjusting. Every day devoted to this quest for “government efficiency” is another day not invested in resource stewardship - time and energy are irretrievably lost. If we convert these lost person days to dollars, we begin to get a sense of the real costs. There ought to be a rule in government: all reorganizations must include an unbiased audit. The audit should provide a full accounting of all costs and an assessment of changes in agency efficiency and effectiveness.

Even an audit cannot quantify on one thing often ignored - - employee morale. My perception is that employee morale suffers greatly during major restructuring. As a whole, our profession consists of dedicated people with an admirable work ethic. When newly installed agency heads tell the public how inefficient and ineffective these agencies are, the administrators are sending a message to their professionals - - and it is not a message of reassurance. Add on forced relocations, reassignments, and new but irrational organizational structures, and employee morale plunges. This is not the way to foster institutional fidelity.

Zealots of reorganization fail to recognize two premises: (1) an agency’s most valuable assets are its employees, and (2) agency effectiveness is a function of staff competence, not organizational structure. If an agency is composed largely of competent and dedicated professionals, it will function well because its people will do their jobs well, in spite of the organizational structure. Good people find ways to get around internal obstacles. In fact, many enjoy finding ways to do their job despite seemingly impenetrable roadblocks.

This leads me to my last conclusion - - this disease affects the part of the brain responsible for making rational decisions. Even a cursory examination of past reorganizations reveals such schemes are irrational. Raising public awareness regarding this disease is crucial. We must secure funds to find a cure. But first, we need a name for this malady. How about pernicious organizational dementia?

Leadership Academy 2002
by Jay Hayek, IL-SAF Chair Elect

During May 4 7, 2002, I was fortunate enough to attend the National SAF Leadership Academy held at the Lied Conference Center on the Arbor Day Farm in Nebraska City, Nebraska. The intent of this academy was to interact with other local and national forestry leaders from across the country in worthwhile and educational team building activities. Motivation, team building, leadership, SAF recruitment, meeting management, and peer networking were the core elements touched on at this conference. Hands down, this was by far the most invigorating and motivational leadership academies I have ever attended. The Lied Conference Center is an immaculate facility situated on 260 acres of rolling terrain within the confines of the Arbor Day Farm...a truly worthwhile vacation destination. The main highlights of this conference
that will forever be remembered were my redirected motivation as a forestry professional, my opportunities to talk forestry and relish cocktails with Bill Banzhaf (Executive Vice President of SAF) and Dr. William Smith (President of SAF), and my fostering of friendships with leaders in the forestry profession.

Upcoming Events

September 14, 2002 - Tree Farm Field Day, sponsored by Illinois Tree Farm Committee and IDNR, will be held at the Doug Bleichner’s tree farm near Yates City, Knox County from 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Lunch can be purchased on site. For more details, contact Kurt Bobsin at 217-278-5773.

October 5-9, 2002 - SAF National Convention; Winston Salem, North Carolina; for details check website at www.safnet.org/calendar/natcon.htm.

October 17-18, 2002 - IL-SAF fall meeting and field tour to be held at Funks Grove near McLean, IL. Registration to be sent under separate cover; contact is Joe Newcomb, IL-SAF Secretary/Treasurer, 618-265-3286.

October 25-26, 2002 - Special Forest Products Production and Marketing Conference sponsored by the University of Missouri; Drury Lodge, Cape Girardeau, MO; contact Julie Rhoads at 573-882-3234.

October 15-17, 2002 - Ohio-SAF Meeting and Forest Soils Workshop; details to be announced on www.ohiosaf.org.

IL-SAF Officers

Chair
J. Daniel Price CF # 894
3575 College Rd
Harrisburg, IL 62946 4925
W:(618)252 5400
F: (618)252 2941
dan.price.sic.edu

Chair Elect
Jay C. Hayek, District Forester
IL Dept. of Natural Resources
301 S. Date St.
Gibson City, IL 60936 1750
W:(217) 784 4730
F: (217) 784 8116
jhayek@dnrmail.state.il.us

Secretary/Treasurer
Joe Lewis Newcomb
585 County Rd 1050 E
Norris City, IL 62869
W:(618)265 3286
jnewcomb2@juno.com
CFE Contact
Thomas Frank Vorac CF # 202
333 North Chicago St
Geneseo, IL 61254
W:(309)782 4062
F: (309)782 8266
tvorac@netexpress.net

Southeast Illinois Student Chapter (IL 03)

Chapter Chair Elect
Reid Alan Bitner
4449 Muddy Rd
Apt 2D
Harrisburg, IL 62946
H:(217) 482 3653
pheasant16@yahoo.com

Faculty Representative
James A. Kirkland CF # 902
Southeastern Illinois College
Harrisburg, IL 62946
W:(618) 252 6376
F: (618)252 2941
4stre@sic.cc.il.us

Southern Illinois University Student Chapter
(IL 01)

Faculty Representative
Charles Michael Ruffner
321 N 14th St
Murphysboro, IL 62966 2011
W:(618)453 7469
F: (618)453 7475
ruffner@siu.edu

University of Illinois Student Chapter (IL 02)

Faculty Representative
Jeffrey O. Dawson
Univ of Ill, 1102 S Goodwin
W 503 Turner Hall
Urbana, IL 61801
W:(217)333 9281
F: (217)244 3219
jdawson2@uiuc.edu

Committee Chairs

Communications: Susan Romano Education: Dr. John Phelps
Science/Technology: Andrew Carver Continuing Forestry Tom Vorac
Newsletter Editor: Jerry Dalsin Education:
Urban Forestry: Dave Close Policy/Legislation: Stu Piquinot
Membership: Jim Kirkland Historian/Archivist: Dave Gillespie
Forester’s Fund: Dan Schmoker

Left to right: Susan Romano, Dan Price, Jay
Hayek and Dan Schmoker (past Chair)
IL-SAF Officers Meeting - August 6, 2002
Natural Resources Building
New Illinois Department of